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Hi Gregg

>>>>>I don't know Bill and will not be at Carlisle anytime soon where I also know people.
It would be easier for us all if you could cite what he has.

That is what I am doing, he now lives in Conn. I have called and spoken with him,
he has sent me a few files and will continue to keep sending them as he pulls them up.

>>>>>The 32nd VA Cavalry Battalion was morphed into the 42nd VA Cavalry Battalion when joined with the 40th VA Cavalry Battalion.
This took place on September 24, 1863. In June 8, 1864, the command was changed to the 24th Virginia Cavalry Regiment.
They were not at Tom's Brook at all. See Stewart Sifakis, Compendium of the Confederate Army: Virginia, p. 135, 137 and 143.
See also Lee A. Wallace Jr, A Guide To Virginia Military Organizations 1861-1865, p. 63-64, 65 and 69.

That is what Bill said too, but the OR's are 128 volums, and would take some time to go through.

>>>>>The flag taken at Tom's Brook (WD #171) is a Third Bunting. I know what all of the bunting issues were very well and the site
you mention above stole much of Howard Madaus' research and the research of others, including me, without credit!
While the 34th VA Cavalry Battalion formed in June 1862 and COULD have received a Second Bunting what is the proof of that?
Since the 32nd VA Cavalry Battalion was not at Tom's Brook how could their flag be taken from any wagon that was there?
As I noted already, this battalion no longer existed.

I was not trying to be a smart butt about the bunting's by no means, but this comes to mind here since they were getting morphed
over to another unit they then would no longer have need of the flag that was taken. But regaurdless the 32nd flag was taken but
not taken from a battle with them.

Hd’qrs Cavalry Corps, A. N. Va.

December 23, 1863

Colonel: I have sent you, by express, a battle flag, which I beg to present in my name to your command as an evidence of my high appreciation of the distinguished service which, under your skillful guidance they rendered our noble cause while serving under my command. Soldiers, who have already made so proud a record on many new contested fields, I am sure will never bring dishonor upon colors committed to them by their former general, under whose eye they have acheived a distinction worthy of emulation. Though separated from my command, I shall always feel the liveliest interest in your success, and that of the brave men under you, and am assured that your ability and unflinching courage as a commander, sustained by the bravery of your men, will make for yourself a distinction, and for your men a name to which all of you may hereafter point with the manly pride that springs only from such conduct.
I am Colonel,
Very respectfully,
Your ob't servant,
J. E. B. Stuart major General.

Camp 34th Va. Battalion Jonesville, Va. January 16, 1864
At a meeting of the commissioned officers of the 34th Virginia Battilion Cavalry, Lieut. Col. V. A. Witcher in the Chair, and Adjutant Charles Edwards, Secretary; the following preamble and resolutions were unanaimously adopted:
Whereas This command has been officially informed of the presentation, through the Lieutenant Colonel commanding, of a battle flag, by Major General J. E. B. Stuart; and whereas, we have ever cherished for Gen. S. as a commander feelings of the most unalloyed respect, esteem and confidence, therefore,
1. Resolved, That we hail with pleasure and enthusiasm this manifestation of interest and confidence on the .part of our late commander, and we pledge ourselves, by the memory of the absent dead and the honor of the present living, that these colors shall be borne unsullied and their honor remain untarnished while we have a man left to defend them.
2. Resolved, That while we are widely separated from our gallant old commander, "distance only divides us," and we solemnly swear that ere this flag shall be stained with disgrace the last remains of the command shall be found beneath its tattered folds.
3. Resolved, That the heroic conduct of General Stuart on the field is equalled only by his enthusiastic love of country and his high toned character and gentlemanly courtesy in camp.
4. Resolved, That a copy of the foregoing resolution be furnished General Stuart and copies of the letter and resolution be placed on file at the office of the adjutant of this command, and also furnished the Richmond papers for publication.
Lynchburg and Abingdon papers please copy. >>>>

>>>>>I have this nice letter and presentation in my file for this regiment.
There may have been another flag prior to this time like one of the company colors used as the regimental banner.
Again, we just do not know.

The 34th's flag description came from H. Madaus, which is the picture I linked to http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/timberrattler818/Civil%20War/flag2-1.jpg
Bill Adams was the person who sent me the picture. If H. Madaus approved the 34ths battle flag then it has to be right.

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