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Re: MOC "Colours of the Gray" flags captured.

>>>>Joe,
You keep repeating yourself, but I’m glad you dumb it down, maybe it will sink it your head.

A little vexillology would help you a lot, the Virginia State War time flag is and never was an ANV Battle flag issued by Richmond. There are many documents available that indicate that Cavalry & Infantry unit received Virginia State flags. Sister units of the 34th carried their State flags into the later periods of the war, so it could be posable that they did also.

I’m done with you.

Happy Trails!
Tom Martin

Hi Tom

Here is another e-mail I have pasted from Bill

Joe,

As I was driving, I happened to weigh some of the comments that were made. Let's see: IF the 34th and other cavalry units were carrying Virginia State flags, and IF the cavalry wasn't carrying or wasn't issued bunting flags in 1864, then how could the Yankees possibly have captured a bunting flag identified to the cavalry at Tom's Brook? Further, Martin and the other(s) must consider that Stuart didn't know what he was talking about when he said that he was sending a Battle Flag. He must have not known the difference between a state seal flag and a Battle Flag. (The later pattern aprx 48" square flags were issued to all branches of service, cavalry, infantry, and artillery.)

All things considered, the only thing that Martin has come up with thus far is a negative argument. He asks for supporting facts, but he hasn't furnished any facts to support his allegations. He stated that the bunting flags weren't issued and that state flags were, but offered nothing to prove that. In the absence of a (unenforceable) government directive mandating that only specific flags could be used, units carried a wide variety of modified or specially made flags.

Attached is the photo of the flag at the Crab Orchard Museum and also the painting of the 16th Va Cav flag at Scott Cole's home. Hmmm, neither flag is "regulation," but I suppose there is some term in vexillology to cover that...

Blooming idiots are self-fertilizing.

Bill
Thank You
Joe Addair

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