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>>>Gents,
I have posted before that no ANV flag ever carried the cross cannon battle honors as that was a Western Theater only honor. Joe has not responded to that yet. So that is inaccurate.

Eric Wittenberg, a well known cavalry historian, wrote a detailed article on Tom's Brook and the Woodstock races for North & South (Vol. 10, Issue 1) and he has the 34th VA Cavalry Battalion as part of Bradley Johnson's Brigade of Lomax's Division in the Order of Battle. Assuming he is wrong (and he got this OOB from the OR) then the flag lost IDd as the 32nd VA Cavalry has to be either the 36th or 35th VA Cavalry Battalion and, based on his detailed map of who was where, I lean towards the 36th. The 2nd US Cavalry, who took the flag, was part of Lowell's Brigade who advanced directly down the valley Pike against Johnson, whose right was on the pike and Jackson (Davidson's Brigade) whose left was on the pike. So if the number "30" anything is right then we are looking at the 36th VA Cavalry Battalion's flag. If that was wrong then it came from either of those two brigades. Sadly, Lowell was killed in the battle so he wrote no report and the colonel of the 2nd Massachsetts Cavalry claimed the flag but the MOH went to the guy from the 2nd US Cavalry.

I have two sources, Sifakis and Crute that have the 34th VA Cavalry Battalion as part of Lomax's Division in October 1864, Crute has them forming in December 1862 while Lee Wallace (THE expert on VA units!) and Sifakis have them forming in June 1862. The Record of Events in their CSR file from the National Archives (via Footnote) states they completed their organization in December, which means they formed before then. That being said, I highly doubt they got an ANV Second Bunting flag. According to Sifakis, the only time they were ever with the ANV was on the Gettysburg Campaign as part of Jenkins' Brigade and that was only between May and August 1863. The Richmond Depot ran out of wool bunting for flags in June and did not get more until August so I also highly doubt that they ever got an ANV flag from that depot, for after this time they were in the Dept. of East Tennessee or the Shenandoah Valley. Joe did bring up the fact that being in the Valley Army in 1864 they could well have received an ANV style flag from the Staunton Depot but this pales in light of the December 1863 flag from Stuart (sent to them while they were away from the ANV by the way). Stuart probably sent them an ANV Third Bunting.

Greg Biggs

Hi Gregg

I am sorry for not responding sooner,

the 34th was in WVa. TN. & KN the border of the east/west it was told to me that they could have taken the western side of the house because they were on that side more then they were in Va.

If Stuart gave them the 3rd Bunting then so be it, it is just the people & the museums liked the 2nd Bunting better so it stuck
Bill has made both types 2 & 3

(First section of 26 pages is from Vol. 2 of Confederate Military History)
BATTLE OF McDOWELL--THE PRINCETON CAMPAIGN
LORING'S ADVANCE DOWN THE KANAWHA VALLEY
BATTLE OF FAYETTEVILLE -- OCCUPATION OF
CHARLESTON--JENKINS ENTERS OHIO--ECHOLS IN
COMMAND--IMBODEN'S OPERATIONS.

I have a 28 page report on Witcher that has enough info to fill a book - that should convince anyone that the 34th was not at Toms Brook and was not part of the ANV. On page 28, Major Nounnan is mentioned - that action wherein he "collided" with the Yankees took place on Oct 9th when he was trying to get to Witcher in western Va (West Va), the same day as Toms Brook. it was to long to post here I tried and that is what it told me

also proving the 34th was formed before Dec. 1862,

Here is a Battle from June, July and August, 1862, while splendid victories were being won in eastern Virginia, driving the Federals without the State, the enemy remained in unchallenged possession of the West. A few raids and skirmishes alone disturbed the quiet. Some mention of these gleaned from the Federal reports will serve a useful purpose, notwithstanding the tone of enmity which pervades them, in showing the hardships of citizens who maintained allegiance to the Old Dominion, either passively or actively by forming organizations for protecting their property, and watching or annoying the enemy. At Shaver's river in May, a band of Confederate partisans was surprised and several wounded; near Palestine, early in June, a squad of men of the Greenbrier cavalry and White's cavalry was attacked, and Lieutenant Hanover killed, and two others, whose bodies floated down Muddy creek. A scout from Flat Top mountain into Wyoming county reported: "Took Squire Clendennen, a noted rebel, prisoner, and fired on his son, who escaped to the mountains." A surprising affair at Summersville, or Nicholas Court House, July 25th, showed the activity on the other hand of the loyal Virginians. Lieutenant Miller, of the Ninth Virginia (U.S. A.), reported that he was awakened by a shot, and saw the street full of "rebel cavalry, dressed in gray uniforms, yelling at the top of their voices." He went out of the back window and into the woods, and found on his subsequent return that all his comrades had been "gobbled" except those who were as lucky as himself. In Wyoming county, near where Floyd was stationed, in Tazewell, a daring cavalry raid was made by Captains Straton and Witcher, joining the companies of Chambers and Beckley at Horse Pen, and several skirmishes were fought, in which brave men fell, Straton and Witcher both being reported dangerously wounded.
Early in August, General Cox was still at Flat Top mountain and Brook at Meadow Bluff, on opposite sides of the junction of the New and Greenbrier, before which lay Colonel Hayes near Pack's ferry, maintaining the communications of the two commands. Before him, about the Narrows, was General Loring with the Confederate forces. On August 6th, Col. G. C. Wharton with 900 men moved from Peterstown and made a demonstration against the outpost at the ferry, driving the enemy from their camp with considerable loss and destroying two flatboats.

Thank you
Joe Addair

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