I don't think you have said anything I haven't heard repeatedly from others, nothing new or original at all. If you'll read some of my earlier remarks on this board you will realize that I think people are nearly always biased, and I am no exception, although you may be that exception. And perhaps you and Etcheson are both purveyors of the absolute truth, but I doubt it. So let's talk about history not about mudslinging. I don't care to continue this debate any further because it's not enlightening for me at all. And I don't enjoy quibbling.