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Re: One way or the other, not both

I'm not speaking for the poster you referred to but I think I understand what he is saying. When it is mentioned that slaves/ex-slaves by their actions (I've never heard the complaint that being black and fighting for the North made a Southern traitor) were considered traitors to the South, it was in the sense of the origin of birth and family not law. A great many people of slave origin were relatives to their masters, lived and worked in their homes and where natives to the soil that they fought against. It did not matter to white Confederates whether they were citizens or not, a great many of the white Confederates were not citizens but yet they fought died for their nation. Prior to the 14th amendment it was the states that determined citizenship, the Confederate constitution tried to make it national law, but prior to 1861, in the South, free blacks could vote in Louisiana; in Mississippi they could own businesses and trade outside the state. Many free blacks were living as their white counterparts in the South and reaping the benefits, many with higher incomes than the average white person in many Northern states. So I can see where they could be looked upon as traitors.

Fort Wagner's massed graves were not really unique. The unhonorable treatment of bodies was common throughout the war on both sides. Most would be lucky to be buried deep enough that the rain wouldn't was them up, or that the bodies still had clothes on or simply wrapped in a blanket. A great many bodies were naked, or stomped on and pressed into the pile to make more fit into the hole. Confederates were not givin much honor by their Northern counterparts in burial, at Gettysburg many were tossed (not placed), bursting swollen bodies open, into large shallow holes and some dirt thrown on top.

Shaw is lucky he was not captured or he may have suffered a worst fate than being buried in a massed grave, see the Battle of Milliken's Bend, LA.

There is also some differences of the story on Shaw's burial. This from the O.R. Page 463, Series 1 - Volume 35 (Part I)

"They state that Colonel Shaw, Fifty-fourth Massachusetts, was killed on the parapet, but there is difference of opinion as to where he was buried. They state that the colored soldiers who were captured were treated as prisoners of war, the same as the white soldiers.

I remain, very respectfully, your obedient servant,

W. W. H. DAVIS,
Colonel 104th Pennsylvania Volunteers, Comdg. Post. [to Headquarters U.S. Forces Morris Island, January 31st 1864"

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David Upton

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