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"That goes back to an earlier statement, the south, or at least South Carolina at that point in time was not using any logic or reason, they were operating on emotion."

You see that is where you and I differ. I believe that the Southern logic was perfect reasoning. At some point you just get tired of the C--- and say to H--- with it lets start all over again.

The only error in their judgemnet in my opinion was that they expected the other states, the northern states in particular, to abide by those concepts expressed within the Declaration of Independence and allow them to seceed peacefully. They should have known better from the way South Carolina was treated by President Jackson in 1832, during the Nullification Crisis. But then again in 1861 it wasn't just one state as it was in 1832, it was 7 and eventually 11 states that wanted to form a NEW country and try again to reestablish the Republic that had been promised in 1787 under the Constitution.

We again seem to inject our own 20th century view points into events that happened in 1860.

We think that because everything seemed to work out for the good that the outcome is OK. BUT how do we know that? That is pure speculation to believe that we achieve the best outcome that could have been obtained. If the South had won could we be an even better nation than what we are today? The fact is we don't know that because the southern nation was Not given the oppertunity to fulfill their dream of an independent republic. I say this because a southern republic may have induced the northern republic to even greater accomplishments than we did experience in history. Certainly the South would not have languished in poverty for 100 years as an undeveloped country as it did. And there is even a better than even possibility that the South by itself without the interference of the Northern abolishionist, would have solved the slave question in the same manner that the British did without any bloodshed. Wouldn't you say that this would have been a positive developement rather than what we as a nation experienced?

You Asked; "What evidence did they have that anything was going to change other than what they imagined?"

I would ask the reverse question, "What evidence did they need to have other than their imaginations?"

Many of our political policies today are made based upon the PRECEPTION that a wrong has been, or is being perpertrated. We are accused of being racist today simply because we disagree with the policies of the Democrat Party, and the President who happens to be a Democrat, is also black. My disagreement with political policies over, lets say the 2nd Amendment, has NOTHING to do with the color of a man skin. But that Preception is that because I disagree with policy, I therefore must be a racist. And thereby my arguments are not given the proper respect that they should rightly be given. I don't have to wait and see. I have already experience what the Democrat party policy is on the 2nd Amendment and I can disagree with that policy right not. It has nothing to do with what man is in the White House, or what his color is, or his religion, or anything else for that matter. I fully expect the Democrat Congress to try to restrict the private ownership of firearms even in the face of a S.C.O.T.U.S. ruling that such ownership was a individual constitutional right.

That's the imagination that the people of South Carolina was operating under, and they had every reason to believe that they would not be wrong. This is exactly what was happening in 1860. The south, because they were all branded as Slave owner, their disagreement with policies of the abolishionist were not given the examination that they deserved. This preception created a sence of fultility for the south.

The Republican party of 1860 were known abolishionist. They were called the BLACK Republicans. Lincoln was their elected leader. It does not require a very large stretch of the imagination to expect the leader of the Black Republican party to enforce the public policies of the abolishionist of that party. That preception would seem to be as valid a reason for them to base their decisions upon then, as it would be for us to do the same today.

Planning a Bank robbery is as much a crime as if you committed the Robbery anyway. It is called conspiracy. If a man is walking towards me carrying a baseball bat and I in my imagination have the belief that he intends to harm me with it, I am justified to take action to prevent that injury before he swings the bat? Or should I wait for him to hit me first? If you believe that I have to wait until I am struck with the Bat, Well I have a baseball bat, where can I meet You, and we can test your theroy of non action and waiting until actually damage is done, and see how that works out.

It is alway easist to make those moralistic claims of a higher sencibility as long as you are not the person who is being hit. The is all so elemental history that I wonder why we are even discussing it.

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