There's really no point in refuting. "Y'all" wouldn't listen cause I'm sure "y'all" think the voices in your heads are other people. So we'll go on listening to the Lost Cause like it is some grand romance novel where the characters are in love with dogma and the strands of evidence that only support their cause instead of actual people. When people fit a stereotype, it's no longer a stereotype. It's truth. How many of you have college degrees? Are any of them in history? Or would it matter to you since Robert E. Lee didn't teach the course? There is an example of a leader serving his own ends if there ever was one. He sold out the rest of the South for the sole benefit of Virginia and he's seen as a martyr. Oh, and props to Mr. Boring (if that is your real name) for picking up on my name, Geoff Davess. He's the only one that even noticed. Yes, it is a fake name, and thanks to all you Edmund Ruffin reincarnates. You've all provided us here with great entertainment. May you serve the Confederacy well. I dare you to attack another fort.