Thanks, Cump. Who were these white men with the Comanche? Comancheros or Kansans? Ranald MacKenzie about did in the Comanche when the 4th Cavalry trapped them in Palo Duro Canyon in 1874, and killed all their horses. Nelson Miles pursued the remainder, and Quanah Parker was forced to surrender. This about finished the attacks on the Texas frontier. Am I right? Stan