Lets just assume for a minute that Douglas was not telling the truth. I want to refer you to the post I made regarding the OR references, note that these references were said not to be accurate. Point is these folks have their mind made up and no amount of references from any given source is going to change their mind. It is a common tactic to deny and discredit (among many other tactics) all references to support their argument.

As I have posted I have proven all points involved, it is pointless to continue to debate anyone who absolutely refuses to even consider other possibilities.

BTW I said I was going fishing, let me tell you the floundering is great, but staying in the water is misery. I suppose we will go again tonight.

GP