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Re: Sibley's New Mexico Brigage flag?

Ms. Mcmillan,

Gary Bray's suggestion for posting your question on the CW Flags website is a good one and one that I would second. However, let me see if I can shed some light on your question a little sooner. Your question has been raised in this forum before . Go back to April of 2003 and I think you'll see a discussion between Kevin Black ( dedicated re-enactor) and several others about this issue of Sibley's flags. Additionally, if you have Google or a similar search engine, type in 4th Texas Mounted Volunteer History . You should find a discussion on items used by the 4th TMV ( part of Sibley's Brigade) in the NM campaign such as flags, weapons, clothing, etc. Addionally , Dr Donald Frazier's book , " Blood and Treasure" , is an excellent source of information about the NM campaign and is also a great source of references. You will notice and the dust cover of the book that a painting by Gary Gaboly, commissioned by Dr Frazier, features the ill-fated lancer charge at Val Verde. You will notice that the lances have small red / maroon pennants at the end of the lances . The pennants also have one white star in the middle of the pennant. In the background of the painting ,you will notice Texas troops with a variation of the First National CSA flag, "the Stars and the Bars". Other modern artists who have painted scenes from the NM campaign , either do not include flags ( Troiani's " Sibley's Texans" ) or they use the Texas State Lone Star Flag ( Justus does this with his new painting of Scurry's charge at Glorieta Pass) , or , like Gary Gaboly who shows the Stars and Bars and the red pennants with the white star. One or two artists have painted scenes from Glorieta where a large red flag with the single white star in the field is featured. The painting on the dust cover on Don Alberts book on the Battle of Glorieta shoes this flag. The source of this flag is an eye witness account at Glorieta . The soldier was a Coloradan who fought in the series of engagements that raged up and down the Sante Fe trail known as the Battle of Glorieta Pass. He is the one that mentions the flag. There other accounts of various flags used by the different regiments of the Brigade. Alfred Peticols ( a 4th Sgt in the 4th TMV) makes some reference to flags in his diary which Don Alberts edited and published a number of years ago entitled " Rebels on the Rio Grande". I would also guide you to a group on dedicated re-enactors in the Sante Fe area who do 4th TMV presentations . If they are still active, they are a wealth of information about the old Sibley Brigade and their "trappings of valor" ( flags, weapons , clothing ,etc). Here is one more piece of evidence that the First National CSA Flag was probably the primary flag for the Brigade during the New Mexico campaign. At the Hillsboro College Museum in Hillsboro, TX, the Sibley family loaned the Museum a Sibley Brigade Reunion Flag to display ( it is still there). The flag was prepared for and flown at reunions of the old Brigade members.I have looked at it very closely on two occassions and my recollection is that in the background of the flag or in the corners of the flag are small crossed flags: one is the Texas Lone Star Flag and the other is the First National CSA flag ( Stars and Bars). So, my guess is that the veterans would have required the reunion flag to accurately represent the flags they fought for and their comrades died for . One other mention of a flag can be found at a discussion of Fort Lancaster ( Texas). Another eye witness ( A Texan) talks about a flag the Sibley Brigade was using. Le tme know if you can't find it ; however, I believe the 4th TMV re-enactors can probably guide you right to it. Good Hunting . CAM

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