Jerry, I visited the Kansas board yesterday because of Alan Pitts' saying they were a contentuous bunch. There were some posts referring to the Coffee family. I suggested they post to this board, as you might have information to help them out. I think I referred to you as "Joe". Sorry. I must have been thinking of Joe Allcot. He had a post on the SHAPE board the other day. Anyway, just thought I'd give you a heads up. Stan