hi johnny i thank you for this info i don't have those dates but you are with the same family. i do have these names and their birthplace as walnut grove pauline or glenn springs. spartanburg s.c. but i wish that you would do me a favor. look up nancy o'shields i know that this will be hard since there are lots of nancy's that were born in glenn spings but look for the year 1804 august 17 thanks johnny.