If they had actually HAD 5" 38s, Chief, they might have won! LOL I was aboard a cruiser assigned to practice on a "jeep" carrier the French had returned to us. it was only worth being a target. The 5" gun crew fired 18 rounds, putting 15 in her bow at the waterline. She pitched up vetical, and went straight down in minutes. It was kind of disconcerting, watching an 800' ship disappear beneath the Mediterranean Sea. Stan