The Wilberforce is because my folks were old time liberals. Which may explain why I'm a staunch conservative. Their ideas, like my Quaker ancestors (non-violence, etc.) are very good as that..ideals...just aren't that pragmatic...I've found out if you turn the other cheek, mostly you get that slapped too...non-violence would be great in a non-violent world, I haven't found that place yet.

Chase.