No Sally, I don't think we disagree. Sometimes in these short answers the point is lost. In 21st century thought, of course I find the idea of slaveholding repugnant. Where we were in that discussion is the level of enlightenment of those slaveholders. In the context of their time and understanding, I don't think they thought of themselves as immoral. I believe that God's moral code for us is unchanging. It is our ability to understand or misunderstand is the problem. For lest we forget, wherever God builds a church, Satan builds a chapel. John