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George,

"1. And slavery was still legal in the other states. Black codes were still in being enforced and New England slave ships still were running."

What does this have to do with the CS Constitution's specific protections of slavery?

"2. I actually have a different account of what may have happened. From "Fighting for the Confederacy" by Genl. Edward Porter Alexander, CSA. Page 19 paragraph 2.
"the first hostile act of either side was the act of Major Robert Anderson who, without orders or authority & actual reasons that God only knows, about Christmas 1860 spiked the guns at Fort Moultrie, where he was stationed and moved secretly by night into Fort Sumpter."

First, does this quotation provide any actual new information? The fact that Anderson moved his forces to Sumter (not "Sumpter") is well known, and we know that he did so for defensive reasons. Second, is a Confederate postwar account (and I don't even think Alexander was in South Carolina at the time) the best source of information about why a Union officer acted?

"This book and other sources I have read state the exact thing. These facts can only lead me to believe that the North made the first aggressive move."

What was this "first aggressive move"? Anderson moved his detail into a more secure location that was already in Union hands. The Lincoln administration considered various ways to resupply and reinforce this unit (which was their responsibility).

"3. And interpretations, like our opinions can be wrong."

Yes, which is why I say that the issue of secession was unsettled. The South's interpretation of the Constitution could have been wrong.

"4. Well you are partly right---"

Looking through your website quotation, I do not find anything that differs from my earlier points at all. In fact, it seems to say exactly what I said. In other words, how am I only partly right in this matter?

"Also if I am not mistaken, during this time (1850-1861) Kansas had two governments, Texas and New Mexico was admitted to the Union with no mention of slavery, California was admitted as a free state. I think Oregon and maybe a couple more northern states were admitted as free, the balance of power was shifting."

Actually, Texas joined the Union in 1845 and New Mexico wasn't officially a state until 1912. Furthermore, Texas originally pushed for admission into the Union in 1836, but northern opposition (primarily because of slavery) prevented annexation until 1845.

"Back to the old "might makes right" argument? The South did not want war. I believe I show that above, and besides by your own admission Lincoln refused to see the peace delegation."

I think few people wanted war. However, the Deep South was willing to wage war to defend their attempted secession. The northern states were willing to wage war to prevent it.

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Who was convicted of treason?? *NM*
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Absolutely no case...repeat from Dec. 17th, 2006
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Thanks George. *NM*