"Of course I'm closed minded...I'm right. You and I obviously have passed that middle age state of where the broad mind switches with the narrow hips!
I didn’t see you come up with specifics on the charges posted, like I did.
You are only right in your own dream would. I have no idea what you mean. I do try to expand my way of thinking that is whey most people on this board disagree with me and can only give two reasons for the war, slavery and secession and neither by themselves are correct. You have not come up with anything specific. I asked you to show me where any northern state. Lincoln or Southern state declared they were fighting to free or maintain slavery. You haven't posted anything to that effect. You only gave the secession docs. Which I am well aware of.
"Again, I see what they, (Southerners) were saying in 1860-61. I see hardly anything about Tariffs, Taxes...but I hear a lot of complaining about equalization of the black man to whites, abolishment of slavery by the "Black Republicans"...alienation of the slave states from new territories, and the over powering vote of the non-slave states in congress, over the minority slave states."
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As I understood your question you were asking for reasons for secession, using your own state document I posted at least four reasons that had nothing to do with maintaining the institution of slavery. To the issue of slavery I remind you it was legal and the complaints they registered were legitimate.
"It all revolves around the slavery issue more than anything else"
That is only your way of thinking, it is what was pounded into your head and you still believe it.
“the apprehension those poor men had of the consequences of the emancipation of four million of negro slaves in their midst, and they to be given the franchise and elevated to political and social equality with the whites, was horrifying to their proud spirits, and those who never owned a slave fought for slavery to avoid such direful consequences. Southern pride was offended and the blood made to boil at the idea of enforced equality of an inferior race. It was complimentary to them that they had the intelligence to foresee that with universal emancipation would come a rivalry with them in industries, unpleasant contact, mixed schools, negro office-holders, indignities, miscegenation, and general demoralization.”
I can take what Col Oats of the 15th Alabama said, at his word and not think kindly or ill of him…He called it like saw it.
I won’t call him an idiot like you did!"
I never called Col. Oates an idiot, in fact reading his quote I can see where he is actually foretelling the future as it is happening today with affirmative action and schools etc. Darn good quote, can you give me a source I would like to use it.
Of course we always have these quotes to look to.
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
Abe Lincoln. I can take Lincoln at his word because he is after all "Honest" Abe.
I think at this point you call fall back on your statement at http://history-sites.com/cgi-bin/bbs53x/nvcwmb/webbbs_config.pl?page=2;read=56973
"I know all about quotes from Lincoln, I know the North didn’t fight to free slaves either…I’m not too interested in so much in what the North did/didn’t do"
Again I make the statement, except for the aggressive actions of Maj. Anderson and Abe Lincoln there would have been no war. Now prove me wrong. I think a good battle cry for the north may have been "Avenge Sumter" or something on that order.
GP