It's apparent that you have confused most all of the posters on this board with your position. You've gone off on so many tangents and tried to cover your tracks so many times I think you have even become unaware of what your point is. I'd say Stan put it best in that you are a consumate spinner. The exact "agenda" I was referring to in some of my posts. You obviously have something you are trying to prove to yourself as well as those that read your posts. But I think that you have failed. As I stated earlier you have your mind made up as do I. See ya around Craig. Another great movie quote from "Gods and Generals", Jimmy Kemper to Pickett........"George you have the unequaled ability to confound the obvious and trivialize the momentous."