Chief; is there no shelf life on these applications? What was happening in the late 70s to engender so many calls? Can there be a limit on what is considered? I think the Founders did a pretty good job, if we would follow the Constitution we have now. A large pluraity of the populace has been taught to expect the Feds to solve EVERYTHING. Refer to my previous post about the dngerof the modern body politic rewriting our Constitution. Commander, I agree with Chief Upton about your thought provoking posts. It must be the blend of the Navy and Coast Guard in your training, or maybe the Arkabsas water you imbibe. Stan